tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post5335260363340422252..comments2024-03-10T00:44:49.280-05:00Comments on This & That: God: Lacking in Foreknowledge & LyingSusannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-70330571606353178032009-12-16T09:51:10.848-05:002009-12-16T09:51:10.848-05:00" Btw, he is Baptist (at a interdenominationa..." Btw, he is Baptist (at a interdenominational church) so they aren't ALL bad. ;)" <br /><br />Haha! I know, I mostly love my Baptist church, I just don't agree with them on much. Great people, though, and at least the group I study with now from the Baptist church are starting to be open to questions and don't mind when I come in with my weirdo liberal ideas. :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382787889525110718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-68302194331027765722009-12-16T08:37:53.226-05:002009-12-16T08:37:53.226-05:00Niki, loved your comment and, I believe, that'...Niki, loved your comment and, I believe, that's *exactly* how I feel about God. That's why this book made me be like "Huh?! God doesn't know? God lies?" :-O Thanks for speaking up and leaving a comment on this post!<br /><br />Sarah, great points. This book made me go back and reread some of the Genesis accounts of Abraham and I was often puzzled even then where Ms. Gordon was coming from because my Bible didn't read the way she was talking.<br /><br />Amber, good points about free will and choices being necessary for that. The world would be pretty neat if dinos were still around, eh? <br /><br />Oh, I'm glad you agree about God never lying and "author fail." Love when you write that. :)<br /><br /><br />Achelois, Muslims call God a "plotter"? Hmmmm. I wonder in what ways does He plot. I had a Muslim friend who seemed greatly offended one day when I told him God cannot lie. I quoted it from the Bible, but he said we should never say God can't do anything. I said, "We're talking about a Holy God who says He cannot lie," yet still he found this greatly disrespectful which I did not intend AT ALL.<br /><br />Great point: WHY would God have to lie to humans?<br /><br />Thank goodness God is merciful and allows us to sin and/or write things about Him without zapping us instantly.<br /><br /><br />Sanil, you wrote: <br /><br />"I want to know how PASTORS can blaspheme the way they do in adding verses to the Bible to make themselves feel more comfy with the passage and stop people asking questions"<br /><br />and that's a great point. My pastor often tells us that just as it's a sin to take away from the Bible, it's also a sin to ADD TO IT. He says this to point out legalistic people -- you have to wear your hair a certain length or you must dress this way or do this or do that. Btw, he is Baptist (at a interdenominational church) so they aren't ALL bad. ;)<br /><br />I'm glad you like what I've shared about this book. I hope you read it and post your own thoughts about it here or on your blog. I'll be keeping watch for them! :-) <br /><br />Enjoyed all the comments, Ladies!<br /><br />Sorry, A&A, about your furniture. :-DSusannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-22254611210718203202009-12-15T15:49:34.397-05:002009-12-15T15:49:34.397-05:00Wow, apparently I've been busy. I think this s...Wow, apparently I've been busy. I think this sounds like a great book, I can't wait to find and read it. :)<br /><br />I do not know if God's foreknowledge is complete. I do think that sometimes the Bible gets twisted because people like to believe that it is and they can't handle when the Bible says otherwise. I've heard pastors and teachers add to the Bible that "God knew he wouldn't find any in Sodom, of course", but it doesn't say that! Another commenter asked how people could blaspheme like the woman who wrote this book, but I just see her asking honest questions and thinking through these things. I want to know how PASTORS can blaspheme the way they do in adding verses to the Bible to make themselves feel more comfy with the passage and stop people asking questions. I don't have the answers, but I love the questions and feel we can't have enough of people like Gordon (from what I know of her just from reading this entry, I guess that's not necessarily a complete sample. :D).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382787889525110718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-54850624377145566372009-12-14T22:49:04.775-05:002009-12-14T22:49:04.775-05:00How can people blaspheme like that?! I never under...How can people blaspheme like that?! I never understood why Muslims call God the best 'plotter' (as in deceiver - Quran 3:54). God would not plot even against plotters! He wouldn't lie even to the liars. <br /><br />It is not whether He can lie or not, the question is does He *need* to lie to mere human beings? <br /><br />Gordon should know that she was able to write what she wrote also because God willed it. He allowed it. And oh yes, He knows what she has written :)<br /><br />Amber, you are not the only one chewing on furniture. My arm-rest is gone :)Acheloisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-67360048447924862392009-12-14T12:32:12.159-05:002009-12-14T12:32:12.159-05:00*rolls eyes* Thank God! Now I can stop chewing on ...*rolls eyes* Thank God! Now I can stop chewing on the furniture every time you post from this lady! :)<br /><br />Now, on to the questions:<br /><br />No, I don't believe that God ever has incomplete knowledge. He's omniscient. (Now, the question, could He make it so He doesn't know something beforehand...I wanna say 'no', not from lack of power to do such a thing, but because...why would He want to do something like that?) <br /><br />My take on the whole asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as a test thing is this: Free will isn't any good if there aren't any options. <br /><br />If God just skipped ahead to the end of all our choices, we'd never get to live at all. It would have been, *boom* Adam and Eve. *boom* End of Times. He might've even skipped the whole Creation thing, since He knew what a morass *that* was going to turn into in a few million years. (Should have kept the dino's around!)<br /><br />So, yes, God knew that Abraham would choose rightly, but He still had to give him the chance to make a different choice, because otherwise, what's the point of free will? God wants us to freely *choose* Him, not have the choice forced on us. <br /><br />It always reminds me of a theme from Jacqueline Carey's Kusheline Cycle: "'Then I shall stand at the crossroads,' he said quietly. 'And choose, and choose again, wherever your path shall lead. I protect and serve.'" <br /><br />God cannot lie. Period, end of discussion. Lies are deceit and therefore the opposite of truth, which is a part of what God is. I reread the passage and the angel restated what Sarah said, but he didn't *lie* about what she said, he just didn't quote her, verbatim. So...author fail.Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-44872137795251158772009-12-14T11:48:53.916-05:002009-12-14T11:48:53.916-05:00I think God does know the future in advance, and t...I think God does know the future in advance, and these quoted words of His are just narrative devices not to be taken literally.<br /><br />I don't know how the author thought God lied or twisted Sarah's words, but I think she's reading way too much into the text. I am sure God would have known what was in Sarah's heart. She is making a rather pointless literary criticism and I'm willing to bet she hasn't read it in the original language either.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320601087412404116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-74976666775322546052009-12-14T09:31:35.470-05:002009-12-14T09:31:35.470-05:00God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the ...God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the First and the Last. If He doesn't know something it would only be because He chose not to know, for whatever reason. You know how most people say they don't want to know when they're going to die? Maybe God likes some things to be a surprise, even for Himself.<br /><br />As for God lying. The Bible says that "all liars" will have their part in the lake of fire. God would have to send Himself to hell if He told lies. He is not a hypocrite or a liar.Nikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936343470015553888noreply@blogger.com