tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post6094740980874579119..comments2024-03-10T00:44:49.280-05:00Comments on This & That: Peculiar Bible Story: Jephthah's vow and how it affected his daughterSusannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-37728421548469488182010-07-30T20:24:26.079-05:002010-07-30T20:24:26.079-05:00Amber, LOL @ "only when it suits me." Ye...Amber, LOL @ "only when it suits me." Yeah, I live that way, too! :)<br /><br />Thanks for letting me know how that makes you feel ...or not. I was just curious. :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-33121952132202283952010-07-29T07:43:25.010-05:002010-07-29T07:43:25.010-05:00Susanne,
'Amber! *gasp* You are a literalist?...Susanne,<br /><br />'Amber! *gasp* You are a literalist???'<br /><br />But only when it suits me. ;)<br /><br />'BTW, what does blood sacrifice in the J-C history do to you? mean to you? make you feel?'<br /><br />This'll probably sound bad, or weird, but it doesn't really mean or do anything for me. It doesn't upset me, it doesn't...anything. I have no feelings about it one way or the other. *shrug*Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-22347549872003761222010-07-28T07:23:04.722-05:002010-07-28T07:23:04.722-05:00Sanil, I'm glad you are enjoying the discussio...Sanil, I'm glad you are enjoying the discussion. Me too! I'm always glad when you ladies take part. It helps me consider things I never thought of before...makes me stretch, learn, grow! I greatly appreciate everyone who comments.<br /><br />Yeah, I went to a Christian school and we had Bible class nearly every day. We learned quite a few great stories from the OT as we made our way through the Bible. I don't remember things such as Lot's daughters incest, but other things, yes. They told them in age-appropriate ways, I thought. I don't recall being traumatized. Actually I enjoyed Bible class very much!<br /><br />I put up part 2 now so y'all check it out and let me know what you think of this other view.Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-77638642806916596852010-07-28T04:19:50.891-05:002010-07-28T04:19:50.891-05:00So for a child this was impressionable since Jeph&...<i>So for a child this was impressionable since Jeph's daughter was "required" to settle this vow.</i><br /><br />Did you learn this story as a child!? If I understood that right and you did, wow. All I got as a kid was Adam & Eve and Noah's Ark. (Ok not quite but that <b>level</b>. We avoided the tougher stuff.) I love that your teachers apparently didn't, because I think kids can handle more than people sometimes give them credit for, and taking them more seriously I would think would make them take what they learn seriously. <br /><br />I'm loving the discussion here. I think it's neat how everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page and get the same message even though we're coming from such a variety of traditions and views.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382787889525110718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-33755896312461800032010-07-27T21:13:40.650-05:002010-07-27T21:13:40.650-05:00Amber, I loved **everything** you wrote! WOWOWOWO...Amber, I loved **everything** you wrote! WOWOWOWOW! Great teacher!<br /><br />BTW, what does blood sacrifice in the J-C history do to you? mean to you? make you feel?<br /><br />Y'all stay tuned for the answer supplied in this book I'm reading. I was actually pleasantly surprised since this guy is a conservative scholar. I thought he'd take the story literally...stay tuned and let me know what y'all think.Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-3203567495466027892010-07-27T21:09:50.439-05:002010-07-27T21:09:50.439-05:00Wafa', I love when you get all chatty over her...Wafa', I love when you get all chatty over here! :-D Thanks for letting me know about your Islamic teachings re: taking vows. I didn't know that.<br /><br />LOL...ha, ha...yes, running away would be a good idea! <br /><br />I don't understand human sacrifice either...barely animal sacrifice, but ONLY because I have come to realize what it represents a bit better. Still don't know why God desires a blood sacrifice, but I guess that's not something I have to know. <br /><br />Really loved your comment! Thanks much!Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-73735274021030067832010-07-27T21:04:40.524-05:002010-07-27T21:04:40.524-05:00Sanil, I think I was taught how serious a vow was....Sanil, I think I was taught how serious a vow was. People said God didn't require them of us, but IF we made one, we should keep it. That was the lesson of this story (as I was taught.) So for a child this was impressionable since Jeph's daughter was "required" to settle this vow.<br /><br />Your comment was great. I love how you thought and applied it. So glad you shared!Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-80605096428763669182010-07-27T20:55:41.993-05:002010-07-27T20:55:41.993-05:00Amber! *gasp* You are a literalist???
(sorry c...Amber! *gasp* You are a literalist???<br /><br /><br />(sorry couldn't resist)<br /><br />:-D<br /><br />Will reply more soon to all. :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-88942295173438439382010-07-27T20:54:07.782-05:002010-07-27T20:54:07.782-05:00I tried to get something of this point across to t...I tried to get something of this point across to the kinder when we were going over the Ten Commandments, and we covered 'Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the Lord Thy God In Vain'. I told them that it's not just saying curses with God's name, but only making promises, or vows, to God. Like, 'I swear to God...' whatever. Because it's serious. If you swear to God, you should only do it if you really will follow through with it. Because God expects you to do what you swear in His name.<br /><br />Jephthah is, I think, both a warning and an example. He swore an oath to God, without considering the consequences. But, even when it cost him his legacy, his bloodlines future, his only, and one must assume beloved, daughter, he followed through with it. And his daughter is also an example of obedience and faith in God, I suppose. She accepted what her fate was, because she knew how vital it was that her father not break his vow to God.<br /><br />And yes, I do believe that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering to God. So...more human sacrifice in the Judeo-Christian history. Interesting...Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-71531076768562914172010-07-27T13:02:02.988-05:002010-07-27T13:02:02.988-05:00why do people make so bad vows a lot. You know in ...why do people make so bad vows a lot. You know in Islam we are warned against vows and we are asked not to committ the vows that are considered sinful. <br />Beside, if i was that daughter why don't i runaway since i have these four days period !! i know i sound silly, lol, but come on who wants to be killed even in the name of religion , who wants to give up his life easily. That's why i can not believe that those susicide terrorist do it willingly, here i believe in brainwashing.<br />you know once a knife was raised on me and i was told i will be killed if something didn't work and i refused to try if that thing is going to be worked or not cuz i was afraid like no other of death.<br /><br />Anyway, i guess i drifted from the same point but as i said before you have a spelling magick over me, lol. But no, seriously that's how i felt reading the post. <br />I never will and did understand sacrifice cuz i guess God's greatest gift to human is life itself so how He would agree giving it away this easily.Wafahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01533307419295995833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-21021950894602476172010-07-27T12:08:06.547-05:002010-07-27T12:08:06.547-05:00I haven't read it so I'm not sure, but I&#...I haven't read it so I'm not sure, but I've been told there is something in the Midrash about this passage, that says Jephthah did not actually kill her. <br /><br />Personally, I always took it as a warning. When Jephthah made that vow, he didn't know who or what would come out. It reminded me of Matthew 5:33-37, where Jesus tells people not to make oaths. "Let your yes be yes and your no be no." Jephthah wanted what he wanted and bargained with someone/something else's life to get it. Where does God tell us to kill others to get His favor? Making that oath was wrong, and sacrifice isn't something that should be done lightly. So when it came time to keep his oath, it was much more costly than he had expected, and the readers can learn not to make that type of bargain.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07382787889525110718noreply@blogger.com