tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post6730906013844089173..comments2024-03-10T00:44:49.280-05:00Comments on This & That: Thoughts on Muhammad & StuffSusannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-48430778441683454762010-09-06T11:08:03.294-05:002010-09-06T11:08:03.294-05:00Hey Sussane maybe once you read the books you coul...Hey Sussane maybe once you read the books you could do a review? id love that and itd be interesting to see what you thought in more detail<br />take care<br />nazHijabis On Ranting Tour.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09017302125786435772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-2120189524523367222010-09-05T17:28:12.404-05:002010-09-05T17:28:12.404-05:00Lat, yeah, maybe the angels just treated Arabs dif...Lat, yeah, maybe the angels just treated Arabs differently than Jews. Or maybe the Jewish writers just described them differently for whatever reason.<br /><br />Good point about taking the hadith with a grain of salt. :)<br /><br />Thank you all for your comments. Enjoyed them!Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-79696939623080520642010-09-05T17:26:18.362-05:002010-09-05T17:26:18.362-05:00Achelois, thanks for your interesting comment! I ...Achelois, thanks for your interesting comment! I did wonder why it was such a big deal that Muhammad was illiterate. Usually that's not something people brag about, but now I recall it has something to do with how great the Quran is and how could a man who couldn't read or write create something this wonderful. That's the explanation I've always heard. Didn't hear the one about accusations of him copying. As you said (or maybe you didn't..ha) the stories may be somewhat similar, but few of them are exact. That's something I noticed for myself when I read the Quran earlier this year and compared its versions of things with the Bible's accounts.<br /><br />I enjoyed the linguistic information - thanks much for sharing all that.<br /><br />Really enjoyed what you had to say and I see another warning about Sasson's books. Yikes! :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-78315791205395974452010-09-05T17:14:41.241-05:002010-09-05T17:14:41.241-05:00sarah, good to see you again. I hope you are well ...sarah, good to see you again. I hope you are well and enjoying a great Ramadan!<br /><br />Thank you for your thoughts on what I wrote. I sincerely appreciate the feedback. Boy, now I am all paranoid about reading Jean Sasson's books! :-DSusannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-88037688495225320892010-09-05T17:13:01.447-05:002010-09-05T17:13:01.447-05:00Qusay, aha! I am thrilled to know that because I,...Qusay, aha! I am thrilled to know that because I, of course, thought of YOU when I read about him! :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-45490485863835176562010-09-05T17:12:17.555-05:002010-09-05T17:12:17.555-05:00Wafa', yeah, I'm sure bin Laden news makes...Wafa', yeah, I'm sure bin Laden news makes you yawn! Ha, ha! I typically don't go for books like this, but I'll read some of it and see if it seems interesting enough to finish. So far Najwa is talking about her early years in Latakia, Syria and how her cousin Osama would come visit. And then how they married when she was almost 16 and he was 17. Actually I started reading the book to Samer and he exclaimed over the fact that they married in 1974 and Osama didn't even finish high school until 1976! Samer said he can't imagine marrying when he was still in school! :-D<br /><br />I didn't realize Sasson's books were like tabloids. I'll keep that in mind. This book is written in first person like Najwa or Omar are telling the stories themselves. Jean makes a point of separating her own additions to what they share. So maybe this book is different. I don't know since I've read none other from her.<br /><br />Thanks for adding your thoughts. :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-17790365512998192842010-09-05T17:07:59.292-05:002010-09-05T17:07:59.292-05:00Amber, fluffy puppies...ha! You made me smile! :)...Amber, fluffy puppies...ha! You made me smile! :)<br /><br />Thanks for the link to Reza Aslan. I just checked it out myself. <br /><br />Yeah, I remember how the angel didn't like Zachariah's doubt..true!<br /><br />Thanks for adding your thoughts!Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-70917409029248221032010-09-05T17:06:32.384-05:002010-09-05T17:06:32.384-05:00Naz, thanks for your thoughts! Of course I've...Naz, thanks for your thoughts! Of course I've read the usual Muslim view so I guess this is why Mr. Aslan's differing view made me take notice. :) But, yes, he's a Muslim from Iran.<br /><br />Hmmm, interesting thoughts on Jean Sasson's book. I've not read anything from her before and this book was on the "new books" shelf. I almost didn't get it, but some of the stuff looked interesting especially since it was co-authored with OBL's first wife and a son. I'll see how it is and let y'all know. :)<br /><br />Thanks for your comment!Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-46994039737247450412010-09-05T17:00:29.858-05:002010-09-05T17:00:29.858-05:00Sarah, I'm glad to know it was one you enjoyed...Sarah, I'm glad to know it was one you enjoyed. It was recommended so I bought it and am enjoying it much better than I thought I would. :)Susannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115294023069458287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-68761642962942547192010-09-05T11:12:33.561-05:002010-09-05T11:12:33.561-05:00It's possible for people to have different exp...It's possible for people to have different experiences on meeting angels.When one is deeply meditating strange things can happen so I've heard and read. I think that's why the Prophet was afraid..in the beginning.Even Sufis have a way of their own to how they 'handle' this 'union' with God.So I don't think anything is wrong about the way the angel is reported to have approached him.<br /><br />People will say many things in the hadiths.It's afterall the opinions of people who lived in their respective eras commenting about the Prophet, not his own actual words.Therefore I take them with a biiiig pinch of salt esp those about the unseen and his life.Universal truths normally don't go wrong so I accept them wherever they are even if it's in Sikhism.Latnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-33847333905110263142010-09-05T09:17:53.437-05:002010-09-05T09:17:53.437-05:00I read No God but God exactly around this time las...I read No God but God exactly around this time last year and LOVED it. It is such a refreshing book. I can’t stop quoting Aslan. <br /><br />I don’t agree with everything he says, but Aslan is certainly not the only one or the first one to claim that the Prophet was not illiterate. There has always been a difference of opinion amongst people about his literacy. <br /><br />For example, with reference to 7:158, Arberry writes, “…Believe then in God, and in His Messenger, the Prophet of the *common* folk, who believes in God…” Similarly, Shabbir Ahmed translates it as “…So, believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet to whose people no Scripture was given before…”. Both Shabbir and Arberry translate verse 157 similarly. <br /><br />Even Karen Armstrong thinks he was literate.<br /><br />I don’t recall where I read it a long time ago but it was explained that in the earliest scripts the words written are “alnabiyyi l’ummi” rather than “alnabiyyi al-ummi” (only one alif ‘ا’ is missing). Even today when the text is recited (in whatever rendition) it is recited as “alnabiyyil’–ummi.”<br /><br />In Arabic Al is the definite article ‘the’ so al-nabiyyi is ‘the Prophet’ (nabi is the nawi of Hebrew). Ummi means unlettered (or gentile or without scripture). However, l’ummi means FOR the unlettered and al-ummi means ‘the unlettered.’ Hence the difference.<br /><br />Personally from a linguistic pov I tend to think it is “alnnabiyyi l’ummi” (“So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet of those without Scripture”) since otherwise the verse would read as “So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Unlettered…” That would be using two definite articles simultaneously. And it has happened like in “In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful”, but in this case Compassionate and Merciful are Allah’s titles whereas Ummi was never the Prophet’s title. <br /><br />I think later Muslims felt threatened when non-Muslims claimed that the Prophet may have copied texts from the Torah and the Bible and felt the need to say that he was unlettered. That argument is moot since if he had ever wanted to copy anything he didn’t have to be literate to copy it, and secondly nothing in the Quran is exactly as it occurs in the Bible or the Torah. <br /><br />The Prophet’s account of the first revelation is even more colourful in his earliest and very Muslim biographies :)<br /><br />Aslan is definitely Muslim and a Muslim scholar. He is Muslim against his parents’ wishes (does that make him a greater Muslim? :D j/k).<br /><br />Don't like Sasson. Won't recommend her. But her books are very juicy :DAcheloisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-90146961318007423872010-09-05T04:27:12.200-05:002010-09-05T04:27:12.200-05:00Susanne, I think Reza Aslan is using poetic licen...Susanne, I think Reza Aslan is using poetic license to describe the event to make the book more readable. It sounds more like this was how he imagined it to occur. But certainly it is reported the Muhammad was unsettled by the event. <br /><br />There are lots of other encounters of Muhammad with Angels reported and certainly he had no fear of them then.<br /><br />As for being unlettered - it is always stated that he was illiterate. If he in fact could write I think that there would have been some reports of him doing that and also Muslims would have preserved his writings with great love and reverence. There is no evidence to suggest he could or did write and no benefit in claiming he couldn't if he was actually literate.<br /><br />I haven't read the Bin Laden book but take Sasson's other Saudi books with a pinch of salt!<br /><br />Happy reading.sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-70807908019583697492010-09-04T21:54:28.673-05:002010-09-04T21:54:28.673-05:00And now u know who I was named after :)And now u know who I was named after :)Qusayhttp://qusaytoday.com/ennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-42752216452740720962010-09-04T21:27:50.397-05:002010-09-04T21:27:50.397-05:00i have read before about the idea that Prophet Muh...i have read before about the idea that Prophet Muhammad was not illiterate but not in detail. And though it's strange but fascinating too . Will defiently look for that book to read more about that and many more. <br /><br />Jean Sasson's books remind me of tabloid magazine, so i don't think i will be interested in reading this one and the topic is not interesting too. Maybe because people in Saudi Arabia have already read many more about Bin Laden.The thought of his first wife and son involvement in the book is what makes it a tiny interesting. <br /><br />And waiting for your posts about "walking the Bible" book.Hope it will be fun.Wafahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01533307419295995833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-48529513537698257682010-09-04T20:11:14.507-05:002010-09-04T20:11:14.507-05:00It's been a while since I read this one, but I...It's been a while since I read this one, but I recall it being quite good. And the author is indeed a Muslim. Here's the wiki page but it has links to his official page and some other pages about him as well:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan<br /><br />As I recall, angels speaking to humans were never cruel or abusive to them. The people were afraid, but the angels always said something along the lines of 'Don't be afraid' to calm them down (that's when the people realized they were talking to angels, and the angels weren't disguised as humans...) Not that the angels were fluffy puppies or anything. Remember Zachariah was struck dumb for laughing at the angel who announced the coming of St. John the Forerunner?Amberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09002997517784638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-45447080335050165852010-09-04T19:56:46.220-05:002010-09-04T19:56:46.220-05:00is the guy who wrote that book a Muslim?, the Prop...is the guy who wrote that book a Muslim?, the Prophet being literate is news to me, even in the quran it says quiete clearly he was illiterate so the coming to a unlettered people thing, seems to a personal non backed up view of the author as a trader he couldve had someone write for him, during those times it wasnt unusual to have someone write things for illiterate people say letters, btw about the words stamped on the heart thats news 2 me too, again during the Final time the angel repeating Iqra bismi rabikal 3adeem , loosely translates us, Read in the name of your lord,and the prophet just repeated that again, and finally rushed home saying "zamilooni" which means cover me, because he thought something was wrong but finally understood that he received a divine revelation, lol maybe itd be better to read another book about Muhammad(pbuh), 2nd i dont really know how many middleasterners or whatever can relate to "growing up bin laden" but oh well, if it teaches you something worthwhile why not :) just in my opinion i find jean sassons books a bit strange or self contradictory, but the growing up bin laden book received high praise maybe ill read it one day<br />take care<br />naz @ somalianarab.blogspot.comHijabis On Ranting Tour.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09017302125786435772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-740924465958245224.post-72463953111335468172010-09-04T17:18:47.981-05:002010-09-04T17:18:47.981-05:00I really enjoyed that book. There were quite a few...I really enjoyed that book. There were quite a few eye-openers in it! ;o)Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320601087412404116noreply@blogger.com